tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post6752817303341825049..comments2023-12-06T00:23:28.790+11:00Comments on Press gallery reform: The ambulance at the bottom of the cliffAndrew Elderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-77972331254603190652013-02-25T15:26:02.249+11:002013-02-25T15:26:02.249+11:00Quite bizarrely, there's a very brief wikipedi...Quite bizarrely, there's a very brief wikipedia article for this person. I don't know how to kick off the debate required for deletion of a wikipedia page for non-notability. Someone who does might be able to help out there? Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-3373888994625167792013-02-23T08:30:47.887+11:002013-02-23T08:30:47.887+11:00Then here comes Paul Howes with his prick comment....Then here comes Paul Howes with his prick comment............<br /><br />Charming stuff!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-38809613682593878222013-02-22T22:33:30.696+11:002013-02-22T22:33:30.696+11:00Overheard Neil Mitchell interviewing{?} Richo toda...Overheard Neil Mitchell interviewing{?} Richo today about how Julia had lost the trust of the Labour Party faithfull. The thieving, dissembling little snake. The irony and self delusion of this worm who almost singlehandely brought the Labour Right to power and then to it's [deserved] knees through his own filthy backroom deals and "whatever it takes" to make him obscene amounts of money is just breathtaking. Fucking disgusting. Christophernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-70015909032474587842013-02-22T03:17:16.358+11:002013-02-22T03:17:16.358+11:00Piss funny!
And let's not forget the NSW Parl...Piss funny!<br /><br />And let's not forget the <a href="http://distressedasset.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/david-and-ken.html" rel="nofollow">NSW Parliamentary Press Gallery's contribution to public life in the autumn of 2010 http://distressedasset.blogspot.com.au/2010/05/david-and-ken.html</a>.Lachlan Ridgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-40797687614446104892013-02-22T00:31:12.258+11:002013-02-22T00:31:12.258+11:00"ICAC found the allegation unsubstantiated an..."ICAC found the allegation unsubstantiated and we lost a defamation suit to him".<br />Is this a comment on this journalist's ability to construct a strong case? Anyway, the main thing is it's all very well to publish a few splashes here and they but what really needed to do was connect the dots and then hold up the picture for everyone to see. Anyone remember the "Moonlight State"?Patrickbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-45919835900060052122013-02-20T11:57:53.087+11:002013-02-20T11:57:53.087+11:00You made a stringent attack on the integrity and c...You made a stringent attack on the integrity and capability of a well known journalist.<br />Said journalist, Anne Davies, is entitled to right of reply. It turns out you were seriously inaccurate, particularly in relation to your statement:<br /><br />"I remember the Bulldogs scandal (and would have read about it in the SMH) but had no idea Davies was involved in any way. If she and McClymont had devoted a fraction of the effort to Macdonald-Obeid that they devoted to the Bulldogs or the Bush Administration, who knows what they might have uncovered at the time? Who knows how things might have been different?"<br /><br />Then to cap it off your response above is bizarre and injudicious to say the least. You might be wise to do some research on defamation law, Andrew. bbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-77199243293577248902013-02-20T11:06:54.261+11:002013-02-20T11:06:54.261+11:00You would have thought that she would fixed "...You would have thought that she would fixed "Mysogynist" by the 3rd post, I was embarrassed after mis-spelling it it in my first oneAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13467071669624321286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-53775181867715699512013-02-20T11:00:32.574+11:002013-02-20T11:00:32.574+11:00A lot of people might forget that Richo came to na...A lot of people might forget that Richo came to national prominence after his stellar Number Crunching during election night coverage - not really anything to do with his factional politics at the time (i.e. only as a generic ALP member)<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13467071669624321286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-2660033189286113682013-02-20T10:34:20.782+11:002013-02-20T10:34:20.782+11:00I don't always have my comments published, but...I don't always have my comments published, but when I do, I send them three times in ninety minutes and include threats of legal action.rubiginosahttps://twitter.com/rubiginosanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-12224413518841994232013-02-20T09:14:52.978+11:002013-02-20T09:14:52.978+11:00Slightly off topic but still relevant, I think: Pe...Slightly off topic but still relevant, I think: Peter Van Onselen said yesterday WTTE: "I'm beginning to suspect Abbott isn't allowed to do interviews because the Libs are scared of what he might say."<br /><br />Where to begin with this? The fact that it's taken him three years to notice what the rest of the country knows? The fact that Peter is helping Abbott become PM even though Abbott is clearly not qualified? <br /><br />It beggars belief. And frightens the pants off me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-36980204816903748702013-02-20T08:35:16.985+11:002013-02-20T08:35:16.985+11:00To be fair, the "Andre" was a typo that ...To be fair, the "Andre" was a typo that she corrected in subsequent resends before the original was published. We all make mistakes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-46526983214347458992013-02-20T00:09:44.159+11:002013-02-20T00:09:44.159+11:00Peter, earlier versions covered this in detail. Wh...Peter, earlier versions covered this in detail. Where I got to was: if a journalist wants to give up their job and do something else, this is (on the face of it) no crime. It would be interesting to catch up with those who took the coin as you describe, and ask them to what extent things turned out as they planned/hoped.<br /><br />Lachlan, maybe one day the MSM will catch a live one. Maybe.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-56632002644003830452013-02-19T23:52:11.653+11:002013-02-19T23:52:11.653+11:00Thank you Lachlan. The fact that this was availabl...Thank you Lachlan. The fact that this was available at the time meant that real journalism could've had real outcomes at the time rather than waiting until it was a matter of raking over history.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-65681826881389066802013-02-19T23:48:33.348+11:002013-02-19T23:48:33.348+11:00Why did the state parliamentary press gallery at t...Why did the state parliamentary press gallery at the time become so enamoured of the Carr government? The ICAC are gathering the facts upon which future legal action will rely.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-78166169172856102142013-02-19T23:47:00.431+11:002013-02-19T23:47:00.431+11:00See my response to Davies. Taking the sarcasm off ...See my response to Davies. Taking the sarcasm off your comment, I thank you.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-11131812538541932732013-02-19T23:46:13.261+11:002013-02-19T23:46:13.261+11:00Lawyers! {*snort!*] Can you imagine if everyone wh...Lawyers! {*snort!*] Can you imagine if everyone who wanted a letter to the editor/retraction/right of reply published in the SMH threatened legal action? This is desperately silly, but on re-reading your offering here this is perhaps to be expected.<br /><br />Lawyers will tell you that if you are going to initiate legal action, you need to do so with "clean hands". Your misogyny slur and your admission that it can't be supported might be typical of you, but it is not the sort of thing someone who was sure of their position would have done.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-65603565112381584282013-02-19T23:44:52.811+11:002013-02-19T23:44:52.811+11:00Tim, you are the first person to diagnose my liver...Tim, you are the first person to diagnose my liver condition without having inspected it, or without having any medical qualifications, or much sense really. Thank goodness you're wrong about that, too. When you're cocooned in an environment where any and all criticism is "bile" and "jaundice", you can't argue on your own merits so you have to lunge for the kind of authority that medicos have, and hope no-one notices.<br /><br />This blog has more than made the case that press gallery journalism has failed as a form of journalism. Few press gallery journalists make a consistent and robust case to the contrary. The tongue-in-cheek offerings of McClymont on Obeid are nowhere near good enough, and (along with Anne Davies' appalling missteps above) reinforce my case rather than your diagnosis.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-14462396189082244312013-02-19T23:37:35.175+11:002013-02-19T23:37:35.175+11:00Just because you work for an organisation that pay...Just because you work for an organisation that pays people to monitor social media doesn't mean that I do. Your comment was posted as soon as was practicable and, as I made clear in my original response, you embarrassed yourself more in posting it than I did in publishing it. <br /><br />Of course you don't know me: you can't write this off as having some ulterior motive, which is why "misogynistic" is the best you could come up with. Let's hope that the readership of the SMH never declines to the point where one person knows all of its readers personally; ask yourself whether that decline is occurring despite your best efforts, or because of them.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-91978381228139760942013-02-19T23:34:02.366+11:002013-02-19T23:34:02.366+11:00I see what you've done there: your journalism ...I see what you've done there: your journalism is indefensible and so you attempt to muddy the waters by accusing me of misogyny, a far worse charge than merely being another crap journalist. <br /><br />You don't know me and read anything I write, so you have no basis for whether or not I'm "misogynistic". What you have proved my point about your inadequate research skills, and that your output is knee-jerk, lazy and in this case, wrong (you can't hide behind more esteemed names here).<br /><br />Nobody asked you to do a Google search on 'Obeid' through the archives of SMH, and it doesn't really help your case either. I have written to the ICAC asking for them to detail to what extent any media articles may have contributed to their investigation, and to identify which have done so. You will have to wait until that report is handed down before any further comment on this is warranted, but if you are owed an apology you will get one then and not beforehand. <br /><br />You owe me an apology for your flimsy, dirty slur without any further delay. There is no evidence that you are big enough, smart enough or good enough to offer one (and before you start, "I apologise if any offence was taken" is a non-apology - you owe me an apology for your slur, not for how I feel about it). You are a crap journalist and I have correctly identified you as such. I am not a misogynist and you have been petulant, idle and careless to mislabel me in that way. <br /><br />I work every bit as hard as you do; I'm better at my job than you are at yours. I deserve better information than you provide. Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-72074109895365057002013-02-19T14:24:31.352+11:002013-02-19T14:24:31.352+11:00What a strange response from Anne Davies.
Living...What a strange response from Anne Davies. <br /><br />Living in Victoria I may have misunderstood it (Rugby scandals? Bulldogs?) but it's hard to see what in your piece is "defamatory" or "misogynistic".<br /><br />Maybe the decline and imminent death of traditional media is making Old Media Journalists a bit jittery and liable to fly off the handle at the smallest provocation.<br /><br />As an aside I do think it funny that she got Mr Elder's name wrong. "Andre" (smirk). One should always check the facts before filing. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-19783592558501622532013-02-19T10:33:15.713+11:002013-02-19T10:33:15.713+11:00Very interesting and v informative. Paul Keating u...Very interesting and v informative. Paul Keating used to ring gallery journos and their bosses and "tell them where they got their stories "wrong", and what they should have done instead." So did Rudd and so has Gillard. They all got applauded for it! But in all the 11 years of JWH I can't remember any reports that he did the same. Do you know of any?bbnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-15644780780683928602013-02-18T09:19:15.393+11:002013-02-18T09:19:15.393+11:00Has Kate McClymont given an investigative journali...Has Kate McClymont given an investigative journalists account to her stories exposing Craig Thomson and the brothels and her ThomPson credit card she has relied on? And the "investigative journalist" who has exposed that blunder, and there were at least 3 from the pictured documents accompanying KMcC story, is not even a journalist just a person willing to do some basic research.suenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-43326051206653636592013-02-16T14:00:15.257+11:002013-02-16T14:00:15.257+11:00Anne
Not surprised you don't read this blog, l...Anne<br />Not surprised you don't read this blog, like most MSM journalists you seem to want to bury your head in the sand at the crisis you all face.<br />Happy to read your defense of your work but why the "misogynistic" comment? Andrew certainly is critical of your journalism but does nothing to link that to your gender - seems like you can dish it out but can't take it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-7434150100794748752013-02-15T16:50:15.318+11:002013-02-15T16:50:15.318+11:00Misogynist? Where did that come from?Misogynist? Where did that come from?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-61548433359230792902013-02-15T12:42:49.414+11:002013-02-15T12:42:49.414+11:00Well at least Andrew wouldn't use the phrase &...Well at least Andrew wouldn't use the phrase 'true facts'. As opposed to untrue facts? And you are a professional writer?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com