tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post1681290594752846287..comments2023-12-06T00:23:28.790+11:00Comments on Press gallery reform: Media and politics todayAndrew Elderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-60829449189166286912014-12-02T09:05:29.377+11:002014-12-02T09:05:29.377+11:00On the contrary, you can never complain about the ...On the contrary, you can never complain about the major party paradigm status quo if you continue to 'prefer' one of the two over the other, despite the overwhelming evidence that they govern with very little relationship to their pre-election platform/promises.DavidMoznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-75169623986383564562014-12-01T12:49:51.124+11:002014-12-01T12:49:51.124+11:00The Greens will never win if you vote informally #...The Greens will never win if you vote informally #facepalm<br />The point is, you can't complain about the major party paradigm status quo if you vote informally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-59232312915063515992014-11-30T13:55:44.535+11:002014-11-30T13:55:44.535+11:00Yes Joe, see my latest.Yes Joe, see my latest.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-17773499654187386872014-11-30T13:51:41.116+11:002014-11-30T13:51:41.116+11:00I tend to avoid Kenny these days.I tend to avoid Kenny these days.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-56858542785426621242014-11-30T12:01:20.438+11:002014-11-30T12:01:20.438+11:00Yes, read her Quarterly Essay from about 3 years a...Yes, read her Quarterly Essay from about 3 years ago. Maybe she'll move on from the idea of a greedy populace.Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-92063595168347805852014-11-30T11:51:59.859+11:002014-11-30T11:51:59.859+11:00Scott was a staffer in the Greiner government when...Scott was a staffer in the Greiner government when I briefly held more junior roles in the same outfit. I loved the Haug story, a great pointer to the future in both cases. Andrew Elderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-7084896029992449992014-11-30T10:01:08.379+11:002014-11-30T10:01:08.379+11:00A further thought/rhetorical flourish if I may, An...A further thought/rhetorical flourish if I may, Andrew. One of the journalists who seems to be sniffing the wind is Laura Tingle. She just said on Insiders just now that "something really fundamental is happening in Australian politics" and that the Liberals need to understand that claiming they were beaten by a "clever campaign" in Victoria simply doesn't wash.<br /><br />Is Laura perhaps the journalist willing to voice this further?<br /><br />- Joe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-28206516328750982562014-11-30T09:54:23.735+11:002014-11-30T09:54:23.735+11:00Much to my surprise my comments were published!!Much to my surprise my comments were published!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-50261343908161359392014-11-30T09:22:03.719+11:002014-11-30T09:22:03.719+11:00Following Andrews' win last night, the comment...Following Andrews' win last night, the commentary on ABC's Insiders is the usual palaver of nonsense.<br /><br />Labor, they claim, won because of its "disciplined campaign" which remained "on message". They pointed to "distractions" caused by Geoff Shaw and the "perception of chaos" about Liberals.<br /><br />"Distraction" and "perception" are code words for claiming that voters are empty-headed children able to be dog-whistled. It's much simpler - which for many in the media means "more complex" - than that. The Liberals made promises that Victorians liked back in 2010. More public transport, for example. They then broke those promises.<br /><br />If, as I suspect the Federal Liberals will, the "narrative" about this election becomes about Geoff Shaw "distracting" Victorians, it will just entrench their difficulties.<br /><br />- JoeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-91373156305814554952014-11-30T08:02:41.617+11:002014-11-30T08:02:41.617+11:00Not to mention Mark Kenny's idiotic piece this...Not to mention Mark Kenny's idiotic piece this morning. Having just come across the word 'palimpsest', he must use it, inappropriately, in arguing that the Victorian election was really all about federal politics. Mark, the only thing that is clear is that you're either too lazy or too dumb to see beyond the petty world you inhabit. Canberra is not the cynosure for everyone here in Victoria, even if it is for you. Please feel free to use 'cynosure'...John Uhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10770355507576013464noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-90573493879631646102014-11-30T07:09:12.580+11:002014-11-30T07:09:12.580+11:00Prahran result amazeballs!
So proud to live in th...Prahran result amazeballs!<br /><br />So proud to live in this city.<br /><br />Complex and interesting<br /><br />Clem Newton Brown resigned apparently! <br /><br />Historic result in Victoria. <br /><br />One term government first time for Victorian Liberals. <br /><br />Clearly a frustrated electorate with both parties especially inner city<br /><br />Melbourne is the most liveable city as it's about being progressive. <br /><br />Wake up Liberal party!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-69881182170391146622014-11-29T20:44:11.389+11:002014-11-29T20:44:11.389+11:00Andrew, I have just posted a response to Peter Har...Andrew, I have just posted a response to Peter Hartcher in The Age stating just what you have argued in your first couple of paragraphs - that had mainstream journalists done the job the media is supposed to do we would not now be burdened with a self confessed liar as PM and a viciously mean and meanspirited bunch of absolutely moronic 'born to rule' elitists running this beautiful country of ours. I would imagine my post will not get past the moderator. <br />I will now go back and read the rest of your article. Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-85817767379222414262014-11-29T20:21:32.564+11:002014-11-29T20:21:32.564+11:00Hear, hear Anon.
Btw I was wrong about the Vic go...Hear, hear Anon.<br /><br />Btw I was wrong about the Vic govt winning by a 'sliver'. Interesting wash-up ahead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-74636171745646735252014-11-29T19:14:21.214+11:002014-11-29T19:14:21.214+11:00Nailed it :).
Am I wrong in thinking Mark Scott w...Nailed it :).<br /><br />Am I wrong in thinking Mark Scott was an ex-lib and that a good part of the ABC board is also? If I'm remembering correctly then that makes all his maneuvering all the more interesting. <br /><br />I was in a sad place today Andrew. I picked up The Saturday paper and had to skim most of the articles because not only had your articles been saying the same thing months before them, in most cases you'd said it better.<br /><br />In their main article about the cuts there's a few paragraphs devoted to how unfair the senior staff cut where and how the junior staff survived almost intact. Having been though, and survived, similar circumstance I can tell you the ABC is taking the right approach. If there trying to restructure themselves to be a nimble, online orientated services then digging out the ones who can remember typewriters in favour of the young who live and breath the netz is probably the best course of action.<br /><br />As you said, the old hands can look after themselves. I'll give you all the hint: loved community figure + Pozible = new radio station/ newspaper/ community driven media. Don't believe me? Andrew Haug. Triple J sacked him a few years back because metal wasn't connecting with the hipsters. He gave them the bird and started his own online radio station. This year he ran a Pozible campaign that broke it's goals. He took his global music connections and his star power and made it not only work but better then anything that's on offer here or overseas.<br /><br />Gen Y is use to death and rebirth, the X's will have to catch up.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-75573200889690469952014-11-29T13:13:21.355+11:002014-11-29T13:13:21.355+11:00"Stop me if you've heard this before"..."Stop me if you've heard this before" - an apt description of your writing Andrew. I've read some pretty good online analyses of politicians' relationships with the media, but you, (almost) uniquely as far as I have seen, go further. You correctly identify the causes of the public's mistrust of both politics and the media, and the difficulties both face due to changes in society in remaining relevant to most people. Now if their eventual demise stems from a failure to understand those changes it will surprise only them. <br /><br />Nobody else (as far as I can tell) writes like that ( I used the word 'almost' above because Dorothy Parker aka Loon Pond also identifies the cause and effect, but gives up on trying to predict anything other than the ensuing of hilarity and scorn (not that that's such a bad reaction if you want to retain your sanity).<br /><br />Your posts really make be feel better, because I'm happy that there is somebody who understands all this and can write lucidly on it. You comment on Tim Dunlop frequently. As far as I can tell he's the only one who comes close to you. On other subjects there are usually a few who stand out; in writing about politics and the media, you do.<br /><br />And as Anon said above, please don't give up your hobby, we need you. Iannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-47519135078340381232014-11-29T13:06:31.828+11:002014-11-29T13:06:31.828+11:00Peter Andren is without doubt the model to follow....Peter Andren is without doubt the model to follow. <br /><br />Building on his career as a well known local radio and TV journalist he knitted together an amazing alliance of supposedly opposing groups, without ever being slippery or dishonest about it. He was a monarchist for the Nationals, his greenness was framed to appeal both to greens and farmers, he defended traditional welfare policy as support for country towns and he never faltered in opposing Howard's militaristic opportunism. Each group found smething to like enough to forgive him the bits they didn't like and you could often sense that many of them felt relieved that he facilitated them all working together for local issues that transcended the things that normally separated them. <br /><br />I lived in his electorate at the time and knew him personally and of the many politicians I have known and worked with he was by far the most impressive. It has always been disappointing that the greens have never broken through the tribalism to build a rural base but there has never been a more viable time for that than now with CSG threatening to destroy or poison water supplies, bulldoze through farms etc. The greens as a party still may not do that but you and Andren make it obvious how a cadre of recently "liberated" ABC journalists might be able to pull it off.Ian Millisshttp://milliss.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-84455556773077954132014-11-29T11:49:38.036+11:002014-11-29T11:49:38.036+11:00Wherever I find myself in the world I always read ...Wherever I find myself in the world I always read you (currently UK) - don't ever stop writing this blog; I'm completely addicted to your take on Australian politics ... brilliantFreedom Cyclisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11187400454555241935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-31094235951244546152014-11-29T10:46:04.188+11:002014-11-29T10:46:04.188+11:00If the ALP does win it will be interesting to watc...If the ALP does win it will be interesting to watch the blow-back. It has escaped no-one's notice that Abbott was not wanted on Denis' bus.<br /><br />There are obvious rumblings but I think Credlin will be the sacrifice.<br /><br />Btw I think the govt will be returned by a sliver.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-66271035918671501412014-11-28T22:03:59.472+11:002014-11-28T22:03:59.472+11:00Saturday's Victorian election should be won ve...Saturday's Victorian election should be won very easily (at least 5% 2PP I'd reckon) by the ALP, in large part because the coalition has, here too, ignored its election promises (to improve public transport - particularly the Frankston suburban line, but regional lines as well) and alienated teachers, nurses and ambos as well as thousands of people opposing development believed to be inappropriate for their area.<br /><br /><br />I'll be voting informally in the Assembly, as I can no longer preference either of the majors, and the Greens can't win in my electorate. I hope to find 5 candidates to vote for in the Council.<br /><br />As long as people keep voting for the major parties, I can see nothing changing. Why would it?<br /><br />Thanks for your column Andrew, it is a bright light in a very dull landscape.DavidMoznoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-54986503180578596122014-11-28T19:51:19.446+11:002014-11-28T19:51:19.446+11:00this time around i see the alp as quite achievers,...this time around i see the alp as quite achievers,, am hoping the election will have sprinkling of IND as this keeps the mp s on their toes and reminds them who they represent,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-47630500297278985972014-11-28T11:49:14.064+11:002014-11-28T11:49:14.064+11:00Andrew, please don't give up your hobby, we ne...Andrew, please don't give up your hobby, we need you.<br /><br />I live in rural Victoria so I know how much the ABC means to us.<br /><br />We will see what transpires after tomorrows state election, could be a very interesting time politically.<br /><br />I look forward to your take on the result.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-78270601442242790412014-11-28T00:14:55.597+11:002014-11-28T00:14:55.597+11:00I was wondering what the biz was with the regions....I was wondering what the biz was with the regions. Your analysis, Andrew, makes a lot of sense. Way2fargonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07456734366722986054noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-48592764315711721102014-11-27T23:25:45.754+11:002014-11-27T23:25:45.754+11:00Great article Andrew, very insightful. Social medi...Great article Andrew, very insightful. Social media and alternative news sources are definitely playing their part in the current media landscape, and they are here to stay.<br /><br />I think another aspect of the public turning to independents is that they won't have any "baggage" - the general view these days is that politicians on both sides of the fence are all the same, are in it for themselves, and are likely to be corrupt or corruptable in some way (eg: the latest ICAC investigation in NSW which flushed out 10 Libs, previous ones that have resulted in further proceedings). Independents on the other hand, can be quite nimble, can represent and pursue the views that matter to them and their constituents, without having to resort to "Cabinet", branch meetings, and other forms of centralised control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-24136751099511474982014-11-27T22:31:50.916+11:002014-11-27T22:31:50.916+11:00Good one again. The LNP letter to Mark Scott is sp...Good one again. The LNP letter to Mark Scott is spot on.ernmalleyscatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-36978235522268510142014-11-27T22:16:40.750+11:002014-11-27T22:16:40.750+11:00Your form letter to Mark Scott is priceless, Andre...Your form letter to Mark Scott is priceless, Andrew. A couple of coalition MPs have foolishly put these up on Crackbook, and the 4000-odd comments they garner are mostly along the lines of, "Well, you pricks voted for the cuts. What did you expect?"<br /><br />I salute you.<br /><br />On a tangent, I'm moving to the country in the next year or so, and (despite my age) will consider carefully what you've said about local members with a local focus.David Irving (no relation)https://www.blogger.com/profile/05728918405973140125noreply@blogger.com