tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post5895698870160700793..comments2023-12-06T00:23:28.790+11:00Comments on Press gallery reform: For whom the polls tollAndrew Elderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04705844456819481896noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-64934214919758790972013-04-09T21:18:55.411+10:002013-04-09T21:18:55.411+10:00The story is even worse than you write. Not only d...The story is even worse than you write. Not only does Corey not acknowelge who JWS is, the AFR had the poor judgement to commission a piece of junk. Its quality has plummeted since Stutchbury took the reins. The likes of Tingle must be holding her nose given the partisan garbage that goes for reporting nowadays - it seems to be a competition as who can make the most disparaging remarks about the PM/govt in their allotted 500 words - come on down Jennifer Hewlett.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-7361898819750887542013-04-06T23:35:55.343+11:002013-04-06T23:35:55.343+11:00FYI, the link on the blog voting image is broken. ...FYI, the link on the blog voting image is broken. Its missing the colon after the 'http'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-8201431198317521202013-04-06T06:49:18.323+11:002013-04-06T06:49:18.323+11:00Coorey has been waging a campaign against the PM f...Coorey has been waging a campaign against the PM for longer than a year, nearly two years as I recall, possibly longer. A contact of mine who sees Coorey socially said gleefully recently "he can't stand Gillard". Also was told the other day a former senior News Limited political reporter is the 'Canberra correspondent' for the DLP propaganda rag News Weekly. I used to wonder as a young person under what conditions it would be possible for Australia to descend into fascism. It seems media concentration may be the vital ingredient. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-14609306299613256632013-04-03T19:49:39.746+11:002013-04-03T19:49:39.746+11:00Yep I agree. I gave up newspapers this year and d...Yep I agree. I gave up newspapers this year and don't watch any news at all anymore. If there's anything worth reading or watching in any of them (maybe once a fortnight), a well informed person links it somewhere on a blog or facebook and I can look at it. It makes me happy.<br /><br />Love being able to watch question time, and I switch off immediately it's over so as not to be told what a journalist thinks just happened on it.<br /><br />Far better analysis and commentary is found on this site and ones like it. <br /><br />Keep up the fantastic work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-61927210889631572412013-04-02T23:59:42.587+11:002013-04-02T23:59:42.587+11:00Creepy....
Rang up an organisation after many yea...Creepy....<br /><br />Rang up an organisation after many years away and a work mate answered the phone...<br /><br />In less than a second,the staffer said their name over the phone...<br /><br />Thats beyond normal and crazy at the top end of town when dealing with people who are outsourced to write press releases for political parties...<br /><br />Corruption is evident here sadly and ge y are nastier,smarter and self entitled narcissistsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-53518713557205575382013-04-02T23:47:35.955+11:002013-04-02T23:47:35.955+11:00Van Onselen and The Contrarians....
Wtf?
I.p.a h...Van Onselen and The Contrarians....<br /><br />Wtf?<br /><br />I.p.a hack always on every fortnight,ex Menzies House director,wifey of Peter,et al<br /><br />Its not all toeing the company line.<br /><br />Peter did have a decent rant against Kroger and Allan Jones<br /><br />He must have put his decent father hat on that day so those kiddies dont get too embarrassed when they are older and cringe at their old man.... At least the private school fees are paid for the lovely darlings..<br /><br />Pay homage to Frangopoulos as a powerful C.E.O.<br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-27662746979791965262013-04-02T18:49:59.311+11:002013-04-02T18:49:59.311+11:00love your work.
ToeKnee was a journo - nuff said e...love your work.<br />ToeKnee was a journo - nuff said ehrateenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-11148439441894953262013-04-02T18:35:44.626+11:002013-04-02T18:35:44.626+11:00Get press outside of Australia to write about this...Get press outside of Australia to write about this bias....<br /><br />The fourth estate gets nervous when The Guardian,the B.B.C or other reputable sources analyse our media...<br /><br />Look at the type of female Sky uses in their news format...<br /><br />Blonde,blue eyed and nice for the bored,rich old farts to perve at...<br /><br /><br />Says it all really7<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-31181198218845340822013-04-02T18:23:01.093+11:002013-04-02T18:23:01.093+11:00Real job eh???
When you see emotionally stunted ...Real job eh???<br /><br /><br />When you see emotionally stunted adults in their thirties late forties still as hacks....<br /><br /><br />Well its sad and pathetic really!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-13484430200580855492013-04-02T16:50:42.317+11:002013-04-02T16:50:42.317+11:00Andrew
They have lost pride in their professio...Andrew<br /><br /> They have lost pride in their profession.<br /><br /> One problem, it is not longer a profession, its a pass time while waiting for a real job to come along, surly they don't get paid for writing their crap. <br /><br /> As I keep screaming:-<br /> FFS Australia shake yourselves & BLOODY WAKE UP!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-81621686132679573042013-04-02T15:40:49.320+11:002013-04-02T15:40:49.320+11:00http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3iLFhgk9Ok
Conroy...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3iLFhgk9Ok<br /><br />Conroy's chief of staff here, both Wilson and he were at University together...<br /><br />This is why the a.l.p have lost their way by employing men of this "caliber"...<br /><br />Liberal in sheeps clothing or not i wonder?<br /><br />Have a closer look here when p.v.o asks him about his association with the A.W.U...<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-12700658245708937552013-04-02T15:33:31.792+11:002013-04-02T15:33:31.792+11:00....network at work...."
error....network at work...."<br /><br />errorAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-73130323361013454442013-04-02T12:12:36.545+11:002013-04-02T12:12:36.545+11:00I think we need to accept that some criticism of t...I think we need to accept that some criticism of the press gallery came from people passionately stating that nothing was happening, so Coorey is right to defend himself there. Although he should at least acknowledge his poor strike rate!<br /><br />However, the core criticism remains valid: the press gallery willingly became players in egging on a challenge when the numbers were clearly never there. They told us over and over again, not just that there were rumblings, but that Gillard was gorn. As self-proclaimed 'insiders' they knew this as fact but were still desperate to make it happen - just, you know, in case it wouldn't happen by itself. In doing so they went beyond journalism.<br /><br />Coorey et al broke the rule of maintaining distance / keeping themselves separate from the story. And, just to make things worse, they got the story arse end up and came out of it looking like fools. <br /><br />As someone much more eloquent than myself said: insiders my arse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-79160947568618644672013-04-02T10:18:17.870+11:002013-04-02T10:18:17.870+11:00Bathroom fittings et al....lol!
Sth Yarra has a l...Bathroom fittings et al....lol!<br /><br />Sth Yarra has a lot of these hacks around??<br /><br />Lobbyists have gone to the extreme where they stalk you to disclose your name and then try to sue or screw you/whiteant , its getting very ,very, nasty.<br /><br />Follow the University newtork as work to see who are doing dodgy deals Andrew.<br /><br />Cheers and great blog once again!<br /><br />Please go and see some of the acts at The Comedy Festival to hear the quick wit of our political dickheads.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-73582075228182980912013-04-01T17:36:33.684+11:002013-04-01T17:36:33.684+11:00Thanks for your blog, I agree with your view of th...Thanks for your blog, I agree with your view of the press gallery. I hesitate to admit it, but I am a journalist - only a hack on a regional weekly, and not any kind of 'insider' but still. Just wanted to reassure that there are still some of us with regard for the truth and fair reporting - and do seek other sources of info and analysis. Thanks again for being one of them.JBtoonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-27247281000484938292013-03-31T20:38:33.197+11:002013-03-31T20:38:33.197+11:00I'm a sports enthusiast, especially football (...I'm a sports enthusiast, especially football (various codes). I evaluate MSM journalists by whether they are likely to give me some information that I value and otherwise may not discover. This may be a match report of a game I didn't see, some news relevant to the operation of the sport, or an insightful analysis of some tactical development being employed by a particular time. Some sports journalists produce insightful material, while many offer little of worth.<br />However, all football journalists are subjected to a particular assessment of their understanding of the game, as their predictions of match outcomes are recorded and running tallies are published - e.g Bloggs 6/8 correct last week, progressive 23/32.<br />I've been ruminating that a similar record should be maintained for the press gallery.<br />My progressive figures for this term of Parliament read something like as follows:<br />Grattan 103 predictions, 2 half-correct.<br />Hartcher 127 predictions (he makes them more frequently), 2 half-correct.<br />Carney (retired 2012, sin-binned ?)68 predictions 1 half-correct.<br />Others might like to offer their estimates of their favourites.<br />(Note, I'm generously allowing the prediction of the February 2012 challenge and the "something will happen last week" as correct, but in each case, half-right was the best that could be claimed, as they tipped the winner wrongly).<br />If a racing or football tipster had such a poor record, it seems unlikely their tips would continue to be published, and their continued employment would be in jeopardy.<br /><br />Andrew, as ever your analysis is spot on. I regularly make the point that unlike March hopeful football teams, the particpants in the September Grand Final for the Australian Government title are already determined, and Gillard Labor will be one of the contenders.<br />PJFAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-40035090057473432242013-03-31T10:34:41.097+11:002013-03-31T10:34:41.097+11:00Thanks for the facts Andrew. Knowing that Costello...Thanks for the facts Andrew. Knowing that Costello and 2 former staffers commissioned a poll should be a big red flag to all journalists when reporting the results. I did hear Paul Bongiorno say that JWS wasn't held as fully reputable but he failed to give the reason why. PB could easily have dropped into his report some facts which the listener could then value judge the results. Our press gallery journalists are more concerned about looking after each other than giving the readers/ listeners information. I have often read/heard 'x is a friend' as part of the qualification why the fellow journalists report is unquestioned. Oh well back to the blogs/ tweets for the facts and the challenges. Thanks AndrewSuenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-31074652980381283262013-03-31T09:27:46.652+11:002013-03-31T09:27:46.652+11:00It happened again with Aus's AAA rating. Front...It happened again with Aus's AAA rating. Front page of the News papers?: Tony and Margie at homeAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13467071669624321286noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-36142153029890715582013-03-31T01:11:04.956+11:002013-03-31T01:11:04.956+11:00Why, when they are going broke and mass sackings a...Why, when they are going broke and mass sackings are the order of the day, employees of a firm would deliberately tell half their customers that they're idiots is beyond me.Bushfire Billnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-57025514528244038832013-03-30T21:18:36.543+11:002013-03-30T21:18:36.543+11:00Andrew You have pinged this group for what they ar...Andrew You have pinged this group for what they are I have not watched sky for months and will not read the age online and choose who I read on the conversation. Michelle Grattan has never had the ability to analyse and compare policy I also put Annabel Crabb in the same category.<br />My main source of information is now Independent Australia and your page. I have not purchased a newspaper since retirement as I have found what we are being fed is what these organisation want to feed you. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-41387418832229221102013-03-30T20:56:34.855+11:002013-03-30T20:56:34.855+11:00Having been at the wet end of the lettuce of Mr Co...Having been at the wet end of the lettuce of Mr Coorey's wit I can endorse both Andrew and Bushfire Bell's comments. I still shake my head that press gallery journalists still have a job. Excellent analysis of the corner that the broadcast media have painted themselves into by rejecting mild reform. Hiostory is littered with examples of where this has blown up in the protagonists face not long after. Regarding Latham; he is only too well aware of the paucity of polls - check out some of his from early 2004. Apparently the Howard Government was done and dusted by then.Lachlan Ridgenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-33561954851585980822013-03-30T20:33:52.715+11:002013-03-30T20:33:52.715+11:00Once upon a time a few years ago I attended a medi...Once upon a time a few years ago I attended a media event about a major social issue.<br />It had several hundred [minimum] people attending.<br />Many were quite well known nationally and internationally - authors, poets, musicians, academics, union leaders, several church leaders, a wide selection of organizations eg Amnesty, half a dozen incumbent pollies, state and federal, from 3 different parties.<br />A few stunts eg a march through the city to a prominent site where there were dozens of stalls, a band playing on the march, at the site there were speeches from the pollies, from the organisers, more bands ...and so on.<br /><br />The media had been invited, all of them, in advance and with timely reminders, all organized by professional lobbyist types.<br /><br />Media coverage that evening on radio and TV?<br />Zero [mind you they had time to mention a footballer was going to miss some games cos of a crook shoulder].<br />In print?<br />The same.<br /><br /><br />What's my point?<br />Well I reckon the event was newsworthy.<br />But the media didn't. <br />They set the agenda. <br />Major stuff invisible, trivia given prominence [not having a go at the mention of the footballer he was from my team after all].<br /><br />Ring a bell?<br /><br />fredAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-1599632338511599922013-03-30T20:21:06.687+11:002013-03-30T20:21:06.687+11:00You are right about Coorey, his stock answer to an...You are right about Coorey, his stock answer to any criticism is fuck off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-64867352812461110802013-03-30T20:13:28.491+11:002013-03-30T20:13:28.491+11:00Excellent work as usual...but maybe we need to lif...Excellent work as usual...but maybe we need to lift our eyes and look beyond the time servers in the press gallery. I would have thought that after last week any self respecting metropolitan newspaper editor when presented with a story quoting Joel Fitzgibbon would have spiked it (or whatever they do in the digital age) and sent the reporter to go and find some real news and not come bak until he had, or not come back. Michael Gawenda has had some coverage for his views on the press gallery but as a former editor of The Age it would be interesting to know how he would have handled Grattan et al over the last few years. <br />I suppose the only good thing about Coorey is that he moved to the Fin where he is read by even Fewer people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22534369.post-58307627104708966752013-03-30T19:12:12.276+11:002013-03-30T19:12:12.276+11:00Interestingly, although they kept predicting the d...Interestingly, although they kept predicting the demise of Gillard, they failed to predict the change of leaders in Victoria and the Northern Territory when they happened.<br />Billhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02179691507887634088noreply@blogger.com